Jenny, I have learned that the people who start the threads that appear to be nothing more than bitching are actually the biggest proponents of changing things for the better and the most active in the community. These threads are typically started to open the eyes of those who are unaware of what has been happening for years. Unfortunately, everything that is said is true. Another reason for the negativity.... the HOA and KL frequent this site. They tried shutting down the residents voices because of negativity, but now they have an even more public site that potential buyers can view. They don't like hearing the negativity either but it lights a fire under their behinds better than us coming up with options that are ignored year after year.